an Gorta Mór - Famine, Holocaust or a bit of Bota

[KatieMorag]

What do you think? Intelligent, objective replies only....with evidence to back
up your opinion.

[cogito]

What do you think? Intelligent, objective replies only.....

Why exclude Quinner ??

[quinner]

What do you think? Intelligent, objective replies only....with evidence to back
up your opinion.

have you been swatting then........you start then...

[KatieMorag]

Why exclude Quinner ??

Quinner can be objective and intelligent...when he engages both brains.....anyway your
reply is neither intelligent or objective.
Next.......

[KatieMorag]

have you been swatting then........you start then...

No...I'm just the OP.......I don't know enough about it. Think it might be
good to have a chronological account, though.....starting with the previous
famines, and a background to the agricultural situation in Ireland at the time.

[quinner]

No...I'm just the OP.......I don't know enough about it. Think it might be
good to have a chronological account, though.....starting with the previous
famines, and a background to the agricultural situation in Ireland at the time.

start in the 1800's.....yes there were many crop failures.....but no famine....that is borne out by the very large increase in population.....

[KatieMorag]

start in the 1800's.....yes there were many crop failures.....but no famine....that is borne out by the very large increase in population.....

apparently there was a pretty large one in 1817, with 1000s of deaths....

[quinner]

[QUOTE=cogito;185736]Why exclude Quinner ?? [/QUOTE


i am not posting.......i bow to your superior knowledge.....

[KatieMorag]

Anyway, getting back to it......what was the agricultural situation in Ireland
in 1845? It appears that the poorest of the Irish were living on small plots,
and that most of what they harvested had to be sold to pay the rent. They
were then left to rely on the potato for their subsistence. There was a population explosion in the early 1800s, which meant that things were already
pretty rough for the poorest of the population. The British government were
well aware of this, from censuses and because of previous famines (or near famines.) So in 1845, things were already pretty grim.

[quinner]

apparently there was a pretty large one in 1817, with 1000s of deaths....

deaths from famine, was a regular occurance in those days.....hardly worth a mention to most historians........

and probably what caused so many people to emigrate to the new world...

[quinner]

any discussion on matters so long ago.........has to be in the context of those days.....not the present time....

[quinner]

Anyway, getting back to it......what was the agricultural situation in Ireland
in 1845? It appears that the poorest of the Irish were living on small plots,
and that most of what they harvested had to be sold to pay the rent. They
were then left to rely on the potato for their subsistence. There was a population explosion in the early 1800s, which meant that things were already
pretty rough for the poorest of the population. The British government were
well aware of this, from censuses and because of previous famines (or near famines.) So in 1845, things were already pretty grim.

i think the biggest problem was....if they improved their land....they would be either throw off that land..so the landlord could charge higher rents......or pay higher rent, to do that they had to seel more of their crop and go hungry.......

the right to stay on improved land without paying higher rents....was in the main...only afforded to protestants....

[quinner]

Anyway, getting back to it......what was the agricultural situation in Ireland
in 1845? It appears that the poorest of the Irish were living on small plots,
and that most of what they harvested had to be sold to pay the rent. They
were then left to rely on the potato for their subsistence. There was a population explosion in the early 1800s, which meant that things were already
pretty rough for the poorest of the population. The British government were
well aware of this, from censuses and because of previous famines (or near famines.) So in 1845, things were already pretty grim.

i think the biggest problem was....if they improved their land....they would be either throw off that land..so the landlord could charge higher rents......or pay higher rent, to do that they had to sell more of their crop and go hungry.......

the right to stay on improved land without paying higher rents....was in the main...only affordeed to protestants....

[KatieMorag]

Okay....so 1845....it had been a good summer, apart from an outbreak of
rain and thunder in August. It was thought that the potato crop was pretty
good. In September 1845, reports started coming in that there was disease
in the potatoes.

[quinner]

Okay....so 1845....it had been a good summer, apart from an outbreak of
rain and thunder in August. It was thought that the potato crop was pretty
good. In September 1845, reports started coming in that there was disease
in the potatoes.

yes....there had been a warning from america, where the disease came from.....but these people lived in remote place....news was not a three times day bulliten....

they would not even know how widespread it was......and there were people who would not wish them to know that.....