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Originally posted by Ed O'Gorman View PostIt's good to see resistance by the great unwashed mass'sI'm a Freeborn Man of the Travellin' People
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Originally posted by andy2013Pure and utter rubbish........protesters have breached the gates of Leinster house......and lived to tell the tale....perhaps the MAG man was having his kit kat lol
A number of homeless people today stormed the gates of Leinster House, raced across the plinth and staged a sit-down protest at the front entrance.
The group, which numbered half a dozen,
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that six homeless people walked through the gates for a distance of what about 20 - 30feet?... and were allowed to proceed because they were adjudged to be no danger... they didn't have a mixer truck for instance.
But seeing as you know all about that you'll no doubt know that it's not "pure and utter rubbish."
Its always nice to hear from someone that knows.
Thank you for your sharp insight.
Do tell us though about your experiences on Government Buildings duties? Do you remember that poor man that danced through the gates? It might have been yourself that gave him the cup of tea and a few bob.
Do tell us more eh?Last edited by Rashers; 22-09-2013, 12:25 AM.'Never look down on a person unless you're helping them up'.
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Originally posted by andy2013Will start of by saying don't take things personally, post not poster etc, remember ???
Never served in "defence forces" does that answer your personal question?
Do have an understanding how papers sensationalise, remember the man in the cement truck, lol
So if the people who storm the gates walk through the gates its ok, the MAG man might greet them with a cup of tea...Rofl, now remember the post not the poster.'Never look down on a person unless you're helping them up'.
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Last edited by Guest; 22-09-2013, 01:04 AM.
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Originally posted by andy2013 View Posthttp://politico.ie/index.php?option=...ics&Itemid=877
Another occasion of sensational newspaper coverage, or the MAG man failed to open fire with ball rounds (live ammo) thank god for Kit Kat rofl
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Originally posted by Rashers View PostI posed a question on this topic but on another thread.
I asked what would happen if the protesters did get into Kildare St and even breached the gates of Leinster House.
My question was ignored.
Any old soldiers here? You should know.
There is a detachment of Military Police on duty inside the perimeter of Government Buildings (which of course includes Leinster House).
There is also a detachment of infantry personnel who provide a fire piquet duty.
Anything that happens inside the gates of Leinster House is their responsibility, as military law applies.
In effect Leinster House is a Military Installation while there are military personnel on duty.
This may seem far fetched.
It's not.
Anyone remember that man that drove the mixer truck up to but without touching the gate? He was within miliseconds of death. The MAG man (General Purpose Machine Gun) was about to fire a burst into the cab if the truck had hit the gate.
That soldier had to take time off (a day or two) because of how close he came to killing a man.
When may an Irish soldier on guard duty fire ball (live bullets) ammunition without warning?
1. In defence of his own life.
2. In defence of his comrades life.
3. To prevent himself from being forcibly disarmed.
4. For the safety of the post concerned.
5. To prevent destruction to government property.
A bit over the top for a few protesters breaching the gates of Leinster House?
Perhaps, but remember that truck driver.
Protest by all means, that's our right.
But for gods sake never even think of breaching the gates or any part of the periphery of Leinster House!
Okay folks, just something to think about.
Could you give us some examples of what the exceptions to the shoot to kill policy might be, just for the record ?.We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!
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Originally posted by tommie View PostLooked like a peacefull protest to me,and looks like the cop was a feckin REDNECK from Cork,,taken it out on the Dubs,,,,there is no need for any sort of Pepper sprays at protests,,,here the pricks use Tazers,and have killed a few innocent people,,they should be banned,,as with Chemical weapons,which they are ..
Protests are fine but you have to play the game.
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Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View PostThat's very interesting info there rashers.......obviously all governments have armed protection in the event of a serious breech of security, but I wasn't aware of the Leinster House contingencies.
Could you give us some examples of what the exceptions to the shoot to kill policy might be, just for the record ?.
I can relate a lot of incidents that happened at times I was guard commander, and there have been times when the perimeter was breached, but in all cases that I was involved the protesters were peacefully escorted back to the gate. Or simply allowed to leave. No bad feelings on either side.
Generally the gardai prevent protesters from proceeding beyond the gates.
But it should be remembered that members of the public are free to enter the chamber to observe dail proceedings. But they check with the gate guard(s) on their way in.
There are clear exceptions. If protesters manage to get beyond the gardai at the gate, the military guard will generally invite the gardai in to remove them.
You will get protesters who have no designs on causing damage to any part of the building or grounds and just wish to be heard. There are allowed to make their point and leave, but are under observation at all times.
The closest it came to firing on a man (to my knowledge) was that early morning when a man drove a mixer truck up to within a few inches of the gate. Its true that the MAG man did release his safety and put his finger inside the trigger guard as he saw and heard the truck approach, and was prepared to fire a burst into the cab had the vehicle hit the gates.
My point in the post was that while there IS a possibility that a riotous group breaching the perimeter of Leinster House (or indeed any military post) COULD cause the guard to open fire. But as I said in another post, while its possible, its VERY unlikely.
To answer your question: There are no exceptions to the standing order to shoot.
But in effect it doesn't happen.'Never look down on a person unless you're helping them up'.
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The truck approaching the gates was a very serious situation as there was probably a fear that it might be a truck-bomb and would have to be stopped at any cost. Thankfully it was only an angry man who kept a check on his anger. It would have been a disaster for all concerned had the Irish Army opened fire, shooting on protesting Irishmen is normally carried out by the British Army. Do we want our lads tarred with that particular brush?
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Originally posted by Hagar View PostThe truck approaching the gates was a very serious situation as there was probably a fear that it might be a truck-bomb and would have to be stopped at any cost. Thankfully it was only an angry man who kept a check on his anger. It would have been a disaster for all concerned had the Irish Army opened fire, shooting on protesting Irishmen is normally carried out by the British Army. Do we want our lads tarred with that particular brush?
No we don't want to fire on anyone. But you hit the nail on the head in your first sentence above.'Never look down on a person unless you're helping them up'.
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Originally posted by Rashers View PostThanks DTW. The NCO i/c of the installation judges whether a situation warrants military action. It very seldom happens that a fire order is given, in fact I doubt if it has happened since the Civil War. I certainly never had to issue such an order.
I can relate a lot of incidents that happened at times I was guard commander, and there have been times when the perimeter was breached, but in all cases that I was involved the protesters were peacefully escorted back to the gate. Or simply allowed to leave. No bad feelings on either side.
Generally the gardai prevent protesters from proceeding beyond the gates.
But it should be remembered that members of the public are free to enter the chamber to observe dail proceedings. But they check with the gate guard(s) on their way in.
There are clear exceptions. If protesters manage to get beyond the gardai at the gate, the military guard will generally invite the gardai in to remove them.
You will get protesters who have no designs on causing damage to any part of the building or grounds and just wish to be heard. There are allowed to make their point and leave, but are under observation at all times.
The closest it came to firing on a man (to my knowledge) was that early morning when a man drove a mixer truck up to within a few inches of the gate. Its true that the MAG man did release his safety and put his finger inside the trigger guard as he saw and heard the truck approach, and was prepared to fire a burst into the cab had the vehicle hit the gates.
My point in the post was that while there IS a possibility that a riotous group breaching the perimeter of Leinster House (or indeed any military post) COULD cause the guard to open fire. But as I said in another post, while its possible, its VERY unlikely.
To answer your question: There are no exceptions to the standing order to shoot.
But in effect it doesn't happen.
For instance I do know that security at the Palace Of Westminster is carried out by Police from the Palace of Westminster Division of the Metropolitan Police, though the ever present armed security is undertaken by police from the Diplomatic Protection Group.We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!
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Originally posted by DAMNTHEWEATHER View PostMany thanks for that clear explanation R, it all makes good sense.
For instance I do know that security at the Palace Of Westminster is carried out by Police from the Palace of Westminster Division of the Metropolitan Police, though the ever present armed security is undertaken by police from the Diplomatic Protection Group.
Everything is self-evident.
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