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  • Originally posted by KatieMorag View Post
    Thanks Cogs. I was interested to see that Griffith sort of lost his nerve over the
    abstaining from Westminster thing, since it was one of his main policies in the original Sinn Fein.........
    Think the pre-Rising Sinn Féin was to some extent a talking shop on the political fringes - but by 1917 it's membership had grown dramatically and was on the verge of being in a position to create a serious challenge to the IPP.

    As the nominal head of Sinn Féin, Griffith perhaps felt he had to make pragmatic choices and present policies which reflected the prevailing political mood of nationalist Ireland at the time.
    Everything is self-evident.

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    • On 3rd February 1917, the new Sinn Fein had its first outing into the public arena at a by-election in Roscommon North, although their candidate, Count Plunkett, officially stood as an Independent and was also backed by other nationalist groups. (For more info on the Count and this election see Cogs' link above.) Plunkett's share of the vote nearly doubled that of the Irish Party candidate. This unexpected victory was followed by a by-election in Longford in early May. This time, the candidate, Joseph McGuinness, was still in prison in Lewes, and had actually turned down his nomination. Collins put him up regardless, using the slogan: "Put him in to get him out!" as part of the campaign. Though McGuinness won, it was by a mere 37 votes.
      In June, the remaining sentenced prisoners were released, and returned home to a heroes' welcome. One of these was Eamon de Valera, who was put up as the Sinn Fein candidate at the by-election in East Clare. He won with
      a large majority, and in August the party's successful run continued with the election of W.T. Cosgrave in Kilkenny.

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      • On 25th September 1917, Thomas Ashe, a veteran of 1916, who had been released from prison in England in June but had been re-imprisoned in Mountjoy for sedition, died after being force-fed while on hunger strike. Michael Collins organised his funeral, which had echoes of that of O'Donovan Rossa in 1915. In addition to the Volunteers, over 30,000 mourners followed the funeral procession. A volley was fired at the graveside, and Collins, giving the oration, said: "That volley which we have just heard is the only speech which it is proper to make over the grave of a dead Fenian." This huge display of public support, in addition to the electoral successes, gives some indication of the progress the party had made with Collins' involvement, yet within the party itself there was still great division, particularly between Arthur Griffith and those of a more radical persuasion. This was not resolved until the Convention of 25th October, when Griffith was replaced as President by de Valera, and a new Constitution was agreed.
        Last edited by KatieMorag; 14-01-2018, 10:29 PM.

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        • Some interesting new developments in the historical field:

          Dawn of a digital Irish revolution as archives go online

          The digitalisation of National Library of Ireland papers will shine a light on the pre-independence era, writes Niall Murray.

          THE letters, official documents, secret military orders, and other papers from figures in Ireland’s political and military revolution are to be made available online.

          A project to digitise some of the most important manuscript collections held in the National Library of Ireland (NLI) will mean the documents are easily accessible to researchers and others interested in the history of the period that led to Irish independence.

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          • And we still haven’t got independence

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            • Originally posted by rasher View Post
              And we still haven’t got independence
              Be quiet.........You must not state the truth......
              Here Rex!!!...Here Rex!!!.....Wuff!!!....... Wuff!!!

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              • I will be returning to the progress of Sinn Fein tomorrow but in the meantime, if anyone can put up pictures, songs etc from the era please do......to set the scene, like........hard to find songs from 1917 that aren't to do with the war though.......

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                • The Darktown Strutters Ball......don't know how well-known it would have been in Dublin though.....'

                  Last edited by KatieMorag; 14-01-2018, 12:21 AM.

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                  • Sure they'd know this one by an ex-pat.....

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                    • The Film Company of Ireland's first release

                      On 12 November 1917, the Film Company of Ireland (FCOI) finally premiered Rafferty’s Rise, its first completed production of the year. In many ways this is a minor film. Like all of FCOI’s 1916 pro…

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                      • Top 40 in 1917.......don't know where though......


                        Find the top 40 Pop songs for the year of 1917 and listen to them all! Can you guess the number one Pop song in 1917? Find out now!

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                        • Connie comes home.....

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                          • Originally posted by KatieMorag View Post
                            Connie comes home.....
                            A little over the top for a previously bored little rich girl turned rebel.....and a fake Countess. But we must never let truth get in the way of a good story.....and who else could have elbowed their way into the main heroine position but a member of the English aristocracy.... well the money helped I'm sure....she never had to worry much about wages coming in.

                            There are more self portraits and photographs of Constance Georgine (just call me Madame) Markievicz than any other prominent individual of the time.
                            A glory hunter if ever there was.....
                            Attached Files
                            We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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                            • not a fan then, Noel! I've only read one account of her, which was similarly critical, in a book by Ann Matthews......but I'm going to keep an open mind......

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                              • Originally posted by KatieMorag View Post
                                not a fan then, Noel! I've only read one account of her, which was similarly critical, in a book by Ann Matthews......but I'm going to keep an open mind......
                                No not a fan....never was...or will be....she robbed the limelight from people who were far superior...Hobson....Malin and
                                Chris "Kit" Poole to name a few. And her old man having bought his title like yid buy a new hat.....talk about fake....?.

                                A self promoting egotist at every hands turn. The original Glory Hunting Queen....yukkk
                                We'll sail be the tide....aarghhhh !!

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