Abortion.

[Rashers]

Originally Posted by Camouflage

[B]Thou Shalt Not Kill: Does God Violate His Own Commandment?

In the bible? Yes he does, time after time.

However this is not a bible discussion.... lets stick to the legality and morality or otherwise of abortion.

[Womblemum]

Originally Posted by Camouflage

We need to look in the Bible for guidance. It has been made unmistakeably clear in the good book that life begins with conception.
Therefore abortion must be regarded as murder.


If in doubt you will find answers here
http://www.bible.ca/s-Abortion.htm

The only way the Bible would influence anyone in their decision would be if they believed it is the word of god and they believed in him. I do not believe it is the word of god but the words of various men who wrote a story as a guide to the people of the day. Like MKM abortion is never an option I could consider as my conscience would not allow me, but, it was an option I put to my daughter along with adoption, and keeping her baby, when she became pregnant. It was her body and her choice and I would have supported her, helped her and loved ehr exactly the same if she had chosen that option. She didn't and the result was my gorgeous. innocent, grandson Shane, whom the regulars here have heard me refer to before.

[Curious Girl]

Originally Posted by Womblemum

The only way the Bible would influence anyone in their decision would be if they believed it is the word of god and they believed in him. I do not believe it is the word of god but the words of various men who wrote a story as a guide to the people of the day. Like MKM abortion is never an option I could consider as my conscience would not allow me, but, it was an option I put to my daughter along with adoption, and keeping her baby, when she became pregnant. It was her body and her choice and I would have supported her, helped her and loved ehr exactly the same if she had chosen that option. She didn't and the result was my gorgeous. innocent, grandson Shane, whom the regulars here have heard me refer to before.

I can't say I'd go for an abortion myself, but otherwise it's a decision between a woman & her doctor. Very personal. Every woman has her personal limits, and the bible is based upon a person's beliefs. Not everyone believes in the bible, Camo, but if that's what you believe, fine. It is morally wrong in a country that give the right of religious choice to say everyone must follow the bible or else. Religion is based upon faith. These days, I will read the bible like any college text....I have the right to question what I read, to agree with what I like & not agree if I do not care to.

I think the main thing is to educate people as so they create babies when they are ready, hopefully. No, it's not logical to expect people to sit on 'it' until they are married either. Even when the baby was not highly planned, often times it works out with love anyway.

[Curious Girl]

Originally Posted by Rashers

I'm totally against abortion, and I wish they'd use the right word for when a baby is capable of an independent existance -- murder.

However, I know there are women and girls who see no other way out after finding themselves pregnant, and for these I feel nothing but compassion.

When legal abortion was not available, too many women died in desperation an abortion was so dangerous. There's nothing about this past situation that's morally right either. I've never walked in these shoes as a personal experience where as I would feel that desperate for an abortion, but plenty of women have.

[Curious Girl]

Originally Posted by Rashers

In the bible? Yes he does, time after time.

However this is not a bible discussion.... lets stick to the legality and morality or otherwise of abortion.

Amen, Jim.

You, know, Camo, if you don't like abortion, don't have one is my motto. That's a person's choice. If you get a girl pregnant, be sure to pay your child support and spend the time with the child....or did you forget this aspect because seems to me a lot of men just like you do just that.

I thought I was pregnant one right before I got married, and for a short time, I felt thrilled this life might be inside of me even though the timing was not so good. In far different circumstances, though, I could not have felt like this. Maybe an abortion would have made sense under different circumstance, but I was not under different circumstance. No, the bible was not directing my experience....it was something way more profound than words.

I would hate to feel I had to have one.

[silver spoon]

I'm very uplifted by the responses, as i believe life begins at conception,as i stated at the start of this thread.We hear so much about a womans right,

but this man also has a right, and if my wife wanted an abortion,I cannot say I'd support it in any way.We are a couple after all,and as I helped create life,

i would be strong in my opinion's.Hearing from you women, about what it feels like to be pregnant, makes me wonder why so many women,do choose

to abort their child.In the past it was a sociallly disasterous for an unmarried woman to fall pregnant, but not any more.In todays world with so much precautions readily available,and so much sex education, it's amazing that so many still have unwanted pregnancies.We had a few surprises ourselves, but they were all very welcome.

Just a thought most of us I imagine come from big families, I'm one of 9, can't imagine not having one of them, which could've happened if abortion

was available, and our parents were that way inclined.

For women abortion is not an easy thing to get over, some live with regret

for the rest of their lives.women having miscarriages can cause great trauma.

[Curious Girl]

And, yet, does not matter if I do not feel I could go for an abortion myself, I do like to see it kept legal AND very much available within reason (i.e., get it early on) because I would not like to see women, in general, return to a time when the option did not exist & all that desperation that went with that.

The 'back alley' abortion needs to stay back in prehistoric and less civilized times, where it belongs. Women used to die going for an abortion. It cannot be denied that it can be that desperate a situation for another woman even if we have never seen ourselves in the same situation.

For whatever personal or actual reason that logic dictates need only make sense to the woman in question, if she feels the desperate need to terminate her pregnancy, I do not like to see a fellow 'sister' driven to do illegal and physically dangerous acts to get one.

I don't know if any other women see this, but why do we need wealthy male politicians involved in these decisions in the first place? As for our particular female needs, birth control, menopause, child birth, abortion....do we know know what we actually need? We do. I think most of us see it's superior if we bear children with a father/husband involved where as these things are joint decisions between two parents, but that's not how it always works out.

I have respect for Womblemum for giving her daughter all options as so she may pick the choice that was best for herself.

[Camouflage]

Originally Posted by Curious Girl

And, yet, does not matter if I do not feel I could go for an abortion myself, I do like to see it kept legal AND very much available within reason (i.e., get it early on) .

But isn't this a bit hypocritical? Reminds me of a discussion I had a few years ago with some "alternative" types about hunting and vegetarianism. One of them told me that he doesn't minds eating meat as long as he has not to kill the animal himself.

Life begins at the moment of conception, the Bible is quite clear on this. No matter how far advanced the pregnancy is,
Abortion will always remain murder!

[Rashers]

Originally Posted by Camouflage

Life begins at the moment of conception, the Bible is quite clear on this. No matter how far advanced the pregnancy is,
Abortion will always remain murder!

What wonderful Christian compassion.

[Curious Girl]

Originally Posted by Camouflage

But isn't this a bit hypocritical? Reminds me of a discussion I had a few years ago with some "alternative" types about hunting and vegetarianism. One of them told me that he doesn't minds eating meat as long as he has not to kill the animal himself.

Life begins at the moment of conception, the Bible is quite clear on this. No matter how far advanced the pregnancy is,
Abortion will always remain murder!

Duh, I'm pro choice. As you are male, I will respect your opinion, although you won't be making the choice as a personal one for yourself.