Ireland: From 1916 to the War of Independence

[KatieMorag]

Aftermath Part 4

When Britain entered the war in August 1914, IPP leader John Redmond called on the Irish Volunteers to take up arms in solidarity with Britain, just as the UVF had done. The majority of the Volunteers answered the call, as did thousands of other Irishmen. They probably had a variety of reasons for enlisting, just like their British counterparts: money for their families, a sense of adventure, the desire to be part of something. Whatever their motives, it seems unlikely that they felt that their loyalty to Ireland was being compromised, or that they were fighting for the enemy.
With so many Irishmen suffering the horror and hardship of the trenches, it is hardly surprising that most people initially perceived the Rising as an act of the utmost treachery, and were outraged at the way in which the Rebels had taken advantage of "England's difficulty". Most vociferous in their condemnation were the "Separation Women", who had husbands fighting in Europe. After the surrender, crowds jeered and spat at the Rebels as they were marched to Richmond Barracks.

[cosmo]

Katie,

the rising occurred on the first annerversary of the Gallipoli disaster , there would have been men from a lot or most Dublin parishes [just speakin about Dublin here,theres other counties] have their names read out on the altar list of the dead that easter sunday . this was one reason the rising wasn`t 'popular' until things changed with the executions.

[KatieMorag]

Katie,

the rising occurred on the first annerversary of the Gallipoli disaster , there would have been men from a lot or most Dublin parishes [just speakin about Dublin here,theres other counties] have their names read out on the altar list of the dead that easter sunday . this was one reason the rising wasn`t 'popular' until things changed with the executions.

I didn't realise that about the Gallipoli anniversary Cosmo

[quinner]

Katie,

the rising occurred on the first annerversary of the Gallipoli disaster , there would have been men from a lot or most Dublin parishes [just speakin about Dublin here,theres other counties] have their names read out on the altar list of the dead that easter sunday . this was one reason the rising wasn`t 'popular' until things changed with the executions.

Yes cos...at the initial assault there were the Dub's and the Munster's...Amalgamated after very severe losses and nicknamed the ''Dubster's''.....

[KatieMorag]

Aftermath Part 5

The Rising was condemned by both the Ulster Unionists and the Irish Parliamentary Party. On 3rd May - the day on which the first executions took place - John Redmond and Edward Carson addressed the House of Commons. Redmond, who called the Rising a "misery and a heart breaking", expressed sorrow at the resignation of Augustine Birrell, Chief Secretary for Ireland. He commended the response of the authorities, saying that "This outbreak, happily, seems to be over. It has been dealt with with firmness,which is not only right, but it was the duty of the Government to so deal with it." He went on to ask for leniency to be shown to the "great masses of those involved" (or, as Carson put it, the "unfortunate dupes.") Redmond concluded by expressing the hope that some good would come out of what had occurred, "which will re-round to the future happiness of Ireland and the future complete and absolute unity of this Empire." Carson called the events "unfortunate and terrible" and agreed with Redmond that the "conspiracy of Sinn Feiners.......ought to be put down with courage and determination, and with an example which would prevent a revival", but warned against taking action "in a moment of temporary excitement, but with due deliberation in regard both to the past and to the future."

http://brianjohnspencer.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/edward-carson-and-john-redmond-respond.html

[quinner]

In 1916 I had one grandfather in the Munster Fusiliers and the other in Bolands Mill.....

My Grandfather, Great-Grandfather and Great-Great-Grandfather were all career soldiers in the British Army........

[dinny]

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[cosmo]

In 1916 I had one grandfather in the Munster Fusiliers and the other in Bolands Mill.....

My Grandfather, Great-Grandfather and Great-Great-Grandfather were all career soldiers in the British Army........

in 1916 I had one grandfather in salonika [after Gallipoli] and another in broadstone in Dublin.

[KatieMorag]

Aftermath 6 - What the Papers Said

In 1916, newspapers were just about the only way most people could keep up to date with current affairs, and in Ireland there were plenty of publications to choose from. During the week of the Rising, only the Irish Times managed to keep going, though its reportage was somewhat constrained due to censorship.
After the surrender, the general tone of the paper, traditionally a Southern Unionist publication, was one of condemnation, and the executions only seemed to strengthen its hard line. On 6th May, an editorial declared that "justice, patriotism and common sense demand that Ireland be redeemed from the menace of secularism once and for all", and went on to say that "we have called for the several punishment of the leaders and responsible agents of the insurrection." The moderate nationalist press also condemned the rebellion; The Freeman's Journal described it as a "mad enterprise" and an "insane revolt", and the Independent described it as "criminal madness" and the perpetrators as "unfilial ingrates who have besmirched the honour of their native land." In the provincial papers, the consensus seemed to be that the Rising was irresponsible and the leaders "feather-headed dreamers" (Wicklow People) and "crazy poets" (Roscommon Herald.)

http://www.rte.ie/centuryireland/index.php/articles/reporting-the-rising

[DAMNTHEWEATHER]

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The commemorative depicts Michael Collins alongside the GPO, which served as the headquarters for the uprising. The reverse features the words 'sworn to be free' in Gaelic and English, taken from 'Amhrán na bhFiann' ('A Soldier's Song'). This symbolises the free and independent Ireland which ultimately Michael Collins fought so hard to create.

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Claim one for us willya Din ???

[rasher]

Claim one for us willya Din ???

I’ll get you a Dev one

[DAMNTHEWEATHER]

I’ll get you a Dev one

LOL..That's grand....then show me the nearest skip.

[tommie]

How about one with Quinner on one side, an de udder a Pidgeon ??

[Bo]

I had an Uncle in Bolands Mill in 1916 , and , as it has been discovered here by some of our intrepid members , an Irish Fusiliers Grandfather in the Glasshouse for going AWOL , and who can blame him !!!.

[KatieMorag]

Aftermath 7 - Church Response

The response of the Catholic Church in Ireland appears to have been rather mixed in the immediate aftermath of the Rising. Cardinal Logue sent a telegram to the Pope, saying: "Insurrection happily terminated. Insurgents have surrendered unconditionally. Hope peace soon re-established." A few bishops and priests did condemn what the Bishop of Ross, for example, called a "senseless, meaningless, debauchery of blood". The Bishop of Kerry said the leaders were "evil-minded men." However, these were in the minority; 22 out of 31 bishops and auxilliaries were silent on the matter, including Archbishop Walsh of Dublin, and there was no official statement from the Church. Two Limerick priests openly supported the Rising, causing General Maxwell to write to their bishop, Edward O'Dwyer. O'Dwyer, who was not generally known as a supporter of "physical force" nationalism, was incensed by this. Angry at the brutal response of the authorities, he praised the rebels' "bravery" and said the Rising was the "most formidable rebellion since '98."