What are the isms and what do they mean?

[boxman]

There are lots of political theories like Communism, Marxism, fascism etc. Do you understand what they are about?

[Capt Patch]

My understanding is that Marxism is a form or branch of Communism like Leninism etc ie. collectives or groups for the common good like say a monastery , Fasicim on the other hand is more about indivudal dictators and demi gods that insist that all should follow the leader without question ie Hitler, Moussalini, Tito and Monarchy is all about a leading Family being the head of state.

Then again I could be all wrong and anyone who expresses an opionion on that will be shot at dawn after they have been made to confess to anything I see fit for them to confess to. Is'nt that right Bang Bang ?

[Curious Girl]

My understanding is that Marxism is a form or branch of Communism like Leninism etc ie. collectives or groups for the common good like say a monastery , Fasicim on the other hand is more about indivudal dictators and demi gods that insist that all should follow the leader without question ie Hitler, Moussalini, Tito and Monarchy is all about a leading Family being the head of state.

Then again I could be all wrong and anyone who expresses an opionion on that will be shot at dawn after they have been made to confess to anything I see fit for them to confess to. Is'nt that right Bang Bang ?

I'm not the history expert, but this looks about right to me.

[Red Biddy]

Sounds right to me too - capitalism, tourism, commercialism, and of course (god foirgive me) every religeon

[boxman]

The reason I asked this question was in response to some posts on Dublin.ie by Zoli. They were obviously racist, neo-nazi in sentiment. Posters over there with an obvious left-wing leaning were calling him fascist scum etc. But that got me thinking about all the marxist, fascist, stalinist etc doctrines. Would I be right in assuming that in implementation, that the extreme right and the extreme left tend to have some common ground? In order to implement these economic/political agenda is it neccessary to become dictatorial; confiscate private property, private businesses?

[Red Biddy]

I think ism after anything means a conglomeration of anything - meaning a multitude - I could be wrong - I have no axe to grind - just commenting. I deplore Zolie's posts as much as anyone else does and to be honest, I was delighted to be able to leave the Old Dublin Forum after all the shite that went on. I only went on because Zolie's post was pointed out to me. In my eyes I left and never wanted to go back but was prompted to - full stop. And there it is

[Capt Patch]

"In order to implement these economic/political agenda is it neccessary to become dictatorial; confiscate private property, private businesses? "

Not necessarily so, there are numerous examples of regimes that were beneficial for the majority but like everything else it depends on where you sit whether something is "good" or "evil". For example, who do the people of Iraq and Afghanistan think are the Terrorists ? Is it the old enemy or the new powerful one that thinks so little of the Iraqie people that they will not even give them the dignity of existence when they become victims of "collateral fire".?

I digress, what you ask has very complex answers but to sum up POWER !

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely "

In my humble opinion at least !

[Bang Bang]

My understanding is that Marxism is a form or branch of Communism like Leninism etc ie. collectives or groups for the common good like say a monastery , Fasicim on the other hand is more about indivudal dictators and demi gods that insist that all should follow the leader without question ie Hitler, Moussalini, Tito and Monarchy is all about a leading Family being the head of state.

Then again I could be all wrong and anyone who expresses an opionion on that will be shot at dawn after they have been made to confess to anything I see fit for them to confess to. Is'nt that right Bang Bang ?

You are so right Mein Kapitan. The uneducated Prolitariat masses must not be allowed to meddle with the glorious 5 year plan, ( which is now in it's sixth decads)






The people must be encouraged to speak their minds and then be disposed of as quickly as possible.

[Bang Bang]

Politics Explained

FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.

FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.

PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.

DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

PARADISE: You have one cow and one pig. You prepare them accordingly and everybody sits around and has a good supper.

[Capt Patch]

Love it !

[Marmalade]

There are lots of political theories like Communism, Marxism, fascism etc. Do you understand what they are about?

.... you can include capitalism, imperialism, colonialism etc: The 'ism' denotes the theory regarding a particular way of thinking...the ideas that go to make up an ideology

Everybody subscribes to one ideology or another..... either through active engagement or acceptence of the prevailing ideology which is capitalism or in opposition to capitalism.

In times of crisis, when the centre can not hold, alternative ideologies tend to come to the fore. Fascism is one of those ideologies...it is an ideology which aims to subordinate all intitutions to it's command and in the process will pick on any section of society as a potential scapegoat, be they Muslim, Catholic, Homosexual, Communist, Socialist, Trade Unionist, foreigner, or Jew. To do this they need an army of thugs and phycophants which is why I refer to them in the commonly understood meaning of the word scum.

[Bang Bang]

Love it !

Me too, I am looking forward to the ritual butchering of the cow and the pig,

[Marmalade]

The reason I asked this question was in response to some posts on Dublin.ie by Zoli. They were obviously racist, neo-nazi in sentiment. Posters over there with an obvious left-wing leaning were calling him fascist scum etc. But that got me thinking about all the marxist, fascist, stalinist etc doctrines. Would I be right in assuming that in implementation, that the extreme right and the extreme left tend to have some common ground? In order to implement these economic/political agenda is it neccessary to become dictatorial; confiscate private property, private businesses?

My first thought on this Boxy is..........people go out of business and are dispossessed of their homes and property and businesses by the capitalist class (the ruling class). Confiscation of assets is enforced by the banks.........not by socialists!

[Rashers]

My father used to say that Capitalists are those who have all they need, want more and don't want to share it.

And Communists are those who have nothing and want to share it with everyone.

I've never liked 'isms'... not even rheumatism.

[boxman]

My first thought on this Boxy is..........people go out of business and are dispossessed of their homes and property and businesses by the capitalist class (the ruling class). Confiscation of assets is enforced by the banks.........not by socialists!

What about in places like the former Soviet Union, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea? My point is that while of these ideologies my seem desirable, in the implementation they must become dictatorial so ideologies like socialism and fascism which on the face of it must be poles apart, actually become very similar in practice. Now I know people are going to make the point about Stalinism, Maoism etc but can anyone give me an example of a free, democratic, pure socialist state?