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If he was a good enough Sophist he would have been able to persuade his client he had won the argument, even if he had patently lost...Originally posted by KatieMorag View Post
For a true sophist there was no objective truth - just an argument to be won by the use of logic, persuasiveness and clever rhetoric... the weaker the case the better, as it produced more of a challenge. For them, what one believes is true - because it is true for the believer... so everything is subjective.
The top Sophists of the time were like modern celebrities - thousands would flock to see and hear them when they arrived in a city... arguing even made it into the Olympic Games - intellectual wrestling for want of a better term...Everything is self-evident.Comment
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And " so fists "were used to quell the riots.today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.Comment
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Cogs....... was never interested in the Sophists .... while we could learn a lot from their debating skills ....... they added little to philosophy ....... which is really a search for truth."Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”Comment
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Protagaros, the first self proclaimed Sophist - before writing his handbook on 'argumentative technique' - had already established himself as the world's first poetry critic... but I know that would not in any way colour your perspective Rip...Originally posted by riposte View Post
Everything is self-evident.Comment
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I hope you two won't be getting sophists in when the God thread is up and
running.....but of course, you won't need them......
I must admit, I agree with Riposte, Socrates and other eminent philosophers....using sophists would suggest a lack of integrity, and debases
proper discussion to a the level of a cynical exercise in one-upmanship......having said that, if either of you needs help on the God thread, I am willing to sacrifice my principles for a modest fee.Comment
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My favourites are The Cynics and the Skeptics.Originally posted by cogito View PostProtagaros, the first self proclaimed Sophist - before writing his handbook on 'argumentative technique' - had already established himself as the world's first poetry critic... but I know that would not in any way colour your perspective Rip..."Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”Comment
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Careful Riposte... that sounds vaguely illegal...Originally posted by KatieMorag View Post
Everything is self-evident.Comment
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He can't hear you....he's listening to the Skeptics on his i-podOriginally posted by cogito View PostCareful Riposte... that sounds vaguely illegal...Comment
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dont forget in those days too they had no Telly and were starved for entertainment...nowadays we have the presidential debatesComment
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And both employ spin doctors, speech writers, 'advisors' - and are carefully coached in their 'argumentative techniques' - to study and expose the contradictions in their opponents position and statements - modern sophism in action.Originally posted by Mykidsmom View PostEverything is self-evident.Comment
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Thats what it is all about,spin...........Which just goes to show that the general public dont do their homework as many just dont have the time, what with working,commuting,kids this that and the other and to bed.Originally posted by cogito View Post
My experience here is that nth americans are very easily led.Comment
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Now .... that's what I like to hear..... we could do with a bit of that around here.“We will not allow atheist groups from outside of the state of Texas to come into the state to use menacing and misleading intimidation tactics to try to bully schools to bow down at the altar of secular beliefs,”
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.”Comment
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Texas christians...
Taliban spokesman on shooting of 14 year old girl...“We will not allow atheist groups from outside of the state of Texas to come into the state to use menacing and misleading intimidation tactics to try to bully schools to bow down at the altar of secular beliefs,”
Secularism has its work cut out..."The Tehrik Taliban Pakistan (TTP) is not opposed to female education but it is against the co-education system and the secular teachings which clearly violate the Islamic Shariah,''
You sure you're on the right thread Riposte.. ??Everything is self-evident.Comment
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